Sunday, February 19, 2006

Constellation Connection?

Was the game of Connect Four that Larry was playing in 'Numbers' a significant clue? No one knows for sure, but 2 users at the Lost - TV Forum have presented interesting theories.

NeillT006, a registered member of the forum, came up with the idea of mapping out the Numbers, 4 8 15 16 23 42, onto the 42 spaces of a Connect Four board, and seeing where they would lie.

This is an actual screencap from an episode of LOST, where the Big Dipper (Ursa Major) constellation is displayed for a few frames. When the Numbers, 4 8 15 16 23 42, are matched up in their corresponding spaces on a Connect Four board, it mimicks the constellation.

Messier objects are a set of astronomical objects catalogued by Charles Messier in his catalogue of Nebulae and Star Clusters first published in 1774. The original motivation behind the catalogue was that Messier was a comet hunter, and was frustrated by objects which resembled but were not comets. He therefore compiled a list of these objects.

In the night sky, Messier object 108 (known as M108) is a spiral galaxy residing in the constellation Ursa Major. 4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = 108. And if you map out the Numbers on a Connect Four board, it is the shape of Ursa Major. Could this be a coincidence?



In another theory, yung23, one of the moderators of the forum, came up with the theory that each star in Ursa Major represents one of the six hatch stations. Dr. Marvin Candle said the Swan was one of 6 stations on the island. Could each star represent the location of a hatch? Yung23 made this to display his theory:



Is this possible? Or are we just a little too obsessed with the show? This idea may not be too far-fetched. It has long been suggested that 3 of the Great Egyptian pyramids of Giza align with the 3 belt stars in the constellation Orion.

Plug: If you haven't joined the Lost - TV Forum yet, you could be missing out on some great theories.

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35 Comments

  1. Blogger DevilBoi69x posted at Monday, February 20, 2006 2:39:00 AM  
    From what I remeber from school, Ursa Major is not visible south of exuator, and the island is supposed to be located somewhere in Oceania.
    The only reason it appears on that screen capture is because the show is filmed on Oahu island which is situated north of equator.
  2. Anonymous DarthJerryT posted at Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:43:00 PM  
    I have an addition to the constellation theory. I researched the heiroglyphics from the hatch timer and discovered that each symbol refers to a different constellation in space. Go to this address [url]http://www.filelodge.com/files/hdd7/177258/lostoneofthem7097830tn.jpg[/url] for a pic of the heiroglyphics with their names. Go to this link [url]http://observe.phy.sfasu.edu/SFAStarCharts/SFAStarChartsAll.pdf[/url] and there you can see in charts 2 and 3 where these constellations are located. I think the way they are arranged in the sky could be a clue to how all the stations are arranged on the island. Note that the Sagitta constellation points towards the Cygnus(aka swan) constellation. Interesting since the 2 stations seen so far arrow called the arrow and the swan.

    DarthJerryT
    yjtanfara@verizon.net
  3. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Friday, February 24, 2006 1:14:00 AM  
    I've had the number 108 on my tail for ten years.
  4. Anonymous Sam posted at Saturday, March 04, 2006 11:51:00 PM  
    Devilbox is right.....Ursa Major can only be seen in the Northen Hemisphere...and then only in winter
  5. Anonymous Carlos ABG posted at Saturday, March 11, 2006 12:17:00 AM  
    "Ursa Major" means "Big Bear (female)". A bear is shown in Hurley´s comic book when he finally gets a seat (two seats, actually)in the airplane and is the animal that appears on the island.
  6. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Saturday, March 11, 2006 3:00:00 AM  
    Devilboi is correct. this constellation theory is interesting, but there are a few holes. In the frame shown in the episode, ursa major is just above the horizon, with de "handle" to the right and the dipper facing up. The only way to see that is if the island was located at least 40 degrees north to the equator, and we know that the island is somewhere in the middle of the pacific, close to the equator. Based on that information there are two possibilites. This constellation theory is bogus and it was put there just to fill the night sky , OR, the constellation thing is real, but the producers dont know shit about astronomy or geography and failed to represent it ina realistic manner. Which one is more likely? I dont know. Ursa Major is visible uo to 20 degrees south from Equator, but it would be seen upsidedown.
  7. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Wednesday, March 15, 2006 1:36:00 PM  
    Ursa Major.....for some reason, I think I'd be looking at POLARis next....... ;)
  8. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Monday, March 20, 2006 1:01:00 PM  
    The Big Dipper in Ursa Major has seven stars, and one of them is in fact binary. So it really has eight stars.
  9. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Monday, April 03, 2006 6:18:00 AM  
    The Big dipper is a bear too right. I think Ursa means bear in latin. I only thought of this cause one of things on the map from LOCKDOWN mentions Ursa Matimer which is scientific name of polar bear. Polaris, Polarity, I dont know
  10. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Saturday, April 15, 2006 2:26:00 AM  
    Ursam Major.. mapped out on connect four.. big bear.. polar bear. The numbers mapped out the presence of the polar bears in the spanish comic books Walt found?? and the whole island is within a different dimension .. pergatory? All get to be "healed" (look at SOS, Locke's paralysis, Charlie's addiction, Claire's baby destined to be evil?, Mr Echo gets to be the real priese he was meant to be???? Kate realizes she is not just white trash, Sawyer learns to love (he loves Victor??) Michael can be the dad he always intended to be... can't wait til next week.. :-) even if it's a repeat.. we always see something we missed..Vic and D
  11. Blogger TANIA posted at Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:22:00 PM  
    4 8 15 16 23 42

    4= ¿?

    8 and 15= is the number of the flight 815

    16= the years the french women have been in the jungle

    23= the number of the seat of jack

    42= the number of the seat of ana lucia the women that jack meet before they get in the airplane.

    I think so!!!!
  12. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:10:00 AM  
    OMG! Tania everybody knows that!
  13. Anonymous Linda posted at Friday, April 28, 2006 11:40:00 PM  
    I think the numbers are the psalms found in the bible. Each one 4,8,15,16,23,42 and the total of them 108 has something to do with what is going on, on the island.
    Linda R
  14. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Friday, May 05, 2006 8:32:00 AM  
    I'll look that up! Interesting theory.
  15. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:16:00 PM  
    This is callum copley ...

    4 8 15 16 23 42

    You forgot 23 is the number of thousand dollars that the ozzy farmer got for handing in kate.

    aslo 4+8+15+16+23+42 = 108

    And on to the plot ...

    Why hasnt Daniel ever found the hatch after 16yrs and locke and boon found it in a matter of weeks. Also i think that the whole of the island is a test facility by Hanso. Pressing the buttons thing is all a test to see if it is possible to make someone do it on the power of suggestion. The polar bears are to test how different animals survive in different habitats and the others are the Dharma staff orchastrating it all. I think they are all watching how people stranded on an island act and live as another of their strange pieces of research
  16. Anonymous Samuel posted at Monday, May 15, 2006 4:58:00 AM  
    there is nothing about the others that relate to dharma and the button is to keep a magnetic field around the island that keeps it invisible
  17. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Monday, May 15, 2006 9:48:00 AM  
    BTW samuel , i think that the others are the reaserchers on the island and i think that they Have aquired a desease from one of their experiments and also on episode 1 of season 2 the stuff that desmond injects himself with has this wrote on it , cr 4-8 15 26-23 42 ????
  18. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Friday, June 02, 2006 6:05:00 AM  
    Just a little bit of a thought here, but since the Dharma project was started pretty much by the Hanso Corp., a seemingly primarily Asian corporation if the training video that Locke and Echo found in the second Hatch near the Question Mark can be believed, one could infer that the Ursa Major constellation could be used, especially if Hanso is a Japanese enterprise. Personally, I find the theory that it maps out the locations of the Hatches to be a startlingly good one.
  19. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:46:00 PM  
    I sort of think the numbers were picked from the Bible. Not that I can figure out where they were picked from. But is it just a big coincidence that the 4th book of the Bible is Numbers? And read Chapter 8, which talks about taking the Levites from among the others and purifying them. Verse 16 specifically says "They are the Israelites who are to be given wholly to me. I have taken them as my own in place of the firstborn, the first male offspring from every Israelite woman." And The Others keeps saying they are the good people, where as most all the main characters have done bad things. I just happen to think there is some religious underlining to this show.
  20. Anonymous Tom posted at Tuesday, June 27, 2006 6:59:00 PM  
    I like Your site. Please add more articles on it.I also have a site about Lost season 1.

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    Tom
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  21. Anonymous Holy Carp posted at Tuesday, August 15, 2006 7:04:00 PM  
    Did anyone pick up on Ursa Major also being a fictional character from the "Marvel Comics Universe" who has the power to turn into a 'bear' like creature.
  22. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Sunday, September 03, 2006 1:56:00 PM  
    i dont know about not being able to see Ursa Major south of the equator but in canada...or atleast northern ontario you can see it all year long not just the winter.
  23. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Sunday, September 03, 2006 1:58:00 PM  
    what if you split the numbers up differently...

    4+8+15+16+23= 66
    4+2(42)+ 6

    666...devil numbers
  24. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Tuesday, September 12, 2006 3:09:00 AM  
    thats all fine and dandy, but Ursa major has SEVEN stars in the constellation. That throws your theory right out of the window.
  25. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Tuesday, September 12, 2006 3:11:00 AM  
    psht, i meant the big dipper. not ursa major.
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  29. Blogger Moose posted at Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:02:00 PM  
    I noticed that the screen shot of the island with the constellation of Ursa Major is all wrong!!! This could confirm my theory that they are not on planet Earth anymore. Scientists from Earth opened a wormhole and traveled to this fortunately habitable planet. They were able to transport all the equipment and material needed to build a new wormhole machine on the planet. They lost control of the machine on the planet. Thus, they set up some lackeys to keep entering the numbers to keep it from going off while they try to figure out how to get control of the machine. Then, they lost the ability to create the wormhole to the planet which cut off contact with the lackeys and any scientists still there. The machine on the planet was temporarily set off three times opening a rift to the other machine on Earth to a) capture the plane or planes 16 years ago, b) capture the plane of the main characters, and c) when Locke let it go. The third season will be filling out the ramifications of the third incident. I bet we'll see new characters on the island because of this development. Farfetched to be sure, but it is fun speculating!!!
  30. Blogger ultimate looser posted at Saturday, October 28, 2006 8:19:00 PM  
    I think that this last episode just threw the whole ursa major/hatch location thing out the window. I mainly believe this because the "hydra" is located on the other's island, whereas the star map places all of the hatches on the same island. Just throwin that out there.
  31. Anonymous thescobster posted at Monday, December 18, 2006 6:39:00 PM  
    the comment with regard to the devil number (666) is actually an error the real number of the beast according to religion is 616, the 666 things was just made popular by the movies
  32. Anonymous John Dale from Driffield, England posted at Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:03:00 AM  
    Basically, we all know about the Bermuda Triangle in the Atlantic Ocean, with the strong electromagnetic force, and caused by the US army(supposedly).

    Now, Dharma is the code name of the US army initiative, of which the mission is to create a new Bermuda Triangle in the Pacific Ocean, for some unknown reason. This Island is the base centre for this initiative.

    The island is powered by Hydropower, which explains the cable in the ocean, going to Dannielles Hut. She is a victim of the experiment, due to her ship being caused to crash, because of the strong electromagnetic force pulling the metallic pieces of the ship to the island. Her team were brainwashed by Dharma scientists, and I think Desmond was on Dannielles' team, as he also mentions a ship.(It is a coincidence that both their names begin with 'D'?)

    The presence of elctromagnetism is quite obvious, we've all seen the electromagnetic wall in the hatch, and the elecric converter things in the hatch, next to the computer.

    This presence also explains why there is no signal on the island, why Locke's compass doesn't work, and how the plane crashed in the first place. The two planes(nigerian one and our main one) crashed because there was a failure of power, due to the electromagnetic power.

    The Hanso Foundation is funding Dharma, something you can see on the main Hanso site, with its research into Electromagnetism.

    the whole Bermuda thing is brought even further by the rumour there are wormholes in the current one. This could be on this one too. This would explain how Walt is able to meet up with Shannon, because I feel he is going back in time, maybe from a time where he is under water, or drowning?

    Is also a coincidence how the Dharma Orientation film has two Polar bears fighting with eachother.
  33. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Saturday, February 17, 2007 3:56:00 AM  
    Latitude: 4d 8' 15" S
    Longitude: 162d 3' 42" E
  34. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:47:00 AM  
    The Taman Shud Case

    The victim was found dead at 6:30 am, December 1, 1948, under a street lamp at Somerton Beach in Australia. And with that, we have exhausted everything we know about the man. It's the things we don't know that have been baffling authorities ever since. Including the meaning of the apparently uncrackable secret code he left behind. 4 8 15 16 23 42

    credits to: http://www.cracked.com/article_18459_the-5-creepiest-unsolved-crimes-nobody-can-explain.html
  35. Blogger mewmewmew posted at Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:50:00 AM  
    108 appeared in the episode 'man of science, man of faith' when jack is in the tunnels of the hatch, when his flashlight goes over the graffitii, the number 108 is written on the wall



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