Saturday, October 08, 2005

Season 2 Update 8 Dharma Connection?

MIXED

Assign each letter of the alphabet a number so that 1 is A, 2 is B, etc. up to 26 for Z. Then wrap back to the beginning so that 27 is A again, 28 is B, 29 is C, and so on.

4: The 4th letter in the alphabet is D
8: The 8th letter in the alphabet is H
15: If you add 4 + 8 + 15, you get 27 which wraps back to A.
16: 4 + 8 + 15 = 27, and 4 + 8 + 15 + 16 = 43. 27 + 43 = 70 which gives you a R.
23: 16 + 23 = 39, which is M.
42: 4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 = 66, and 23 + 42 = 65. 65 + 66 = 131 which is an A. [Thank you Gabriel]

SEASON 1 SEASON 2


E-Mail

48 Comments

  1. Blogger Omega2k3 posted at Monday, October 10, 2005 4:59:00 AM  
    When I first saw it, I thought that was cool, but it doesn't make sense, there's just no real pattern in that.

    Sorry, but it's rediculous. Half of the things on here are rediculous.

    Things that don't matter and are on accident... Things that are pure coincendence... This site is filled with them.

    The numbers have more significant meaning, but the only thing we know right now is that they're GPS co-ordinates. 4.815, 162.342. It fits the flight's off-course crash, and there's a large island there.

    If I were you, I would stop looking at the individual numbers and giving them meaningless coincendences, and look at them as a whole. I'm not saying to dismiss individual numbers, but be more significant. Things like the plane's gate being 23, Hugo's car breaking down at 42 MPH, or the number of people at the Dharma Orientation.

    Most of the things you put down are absolutely meaningless, or just easter eggs. I'm sure the soccer team with 4 8 15 16 23 42 as their numbers are not going to die a horrible death.
  2. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Monday, October 10, 2005 2:26:00 PM  
    oh come on!!! i think this is the biggest stretch I've seen on this entire site!!! they are not putting nearly as much thought into these numbers as some people are making it out to be, this one is just ridiculous!!!
  3. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Monday, October 10, 2005 7:28:00 PM  
    From the Season 1 numbers list:
    The letter that Sawyer wrote has a seal on the back titled America's Bicentennial Knoxville Tennessee 1976. 1976 when added = 23.

    Try that with a calculator. One that's not broken.
  4. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Monday, October 10, 2005 7:35:00 PM  
    108= sum of the digits= their flight number

    In a first season episode, a group of soccer players is seen, their numbers on their jerseys are 4 8 15 16 23 42
  5. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:36:00 PM  
    Has anyone looked at the symbols on the Dharma logo to see if there is a numberic connection? Each of the eight symbols is unique. Could they each represent a number in the sequence?
  6. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Tuesday, October 11, 2005 5:46:00 PM  
    ya.was thinking it would have been more deliberate but this is what I found out.

    ..guess i cant post images...

    clockwise there are 4, 6, 4, 3, 5, 5, 5, 4 bars in the DHARMA logo.

    seemed like there was an intentional number refrence and you can get the sequence out of it but theres lots of addition and to get 42 multiplication.


    -Justin
  7. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Wednesday, October 12, 2005 7:31:00 AM  
    Dude, did you notice the numbers add up to 108; the same as the numbers on the time clock?
  8. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Wednesday, October 12, 2005 7:59:00 AM  
    this is a stretch and completely rediculous.
  9. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Wednesday, October 12, 2005 7:59:00 AM  
    this is a stretch and completely rediculous.
  10. Blogger The LOST Numbers posted at Wednesday, October 12, 2005 12:18:00 PM  
    It's "ridiculous."
  11. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Thursday, October 13, 2005 7:19:00 AM  
    Significance of 108

    The Indian Subcontinent rosary or set of mantra counting has 108 beads. 108 has been a sacred number in the Indian Subcontinent for a very long time. This number is explained in many different ways.

    The ancient Indians were excellent mathematicians and 108 may be the product of a precise mathematical operation (e.g. 1 power 1 x 2 power 2 x 3 power 3 = 108) which was thought to have special numerological significance.

    Powers of 1, 2, and 3 in math: 1 to 1st power=1; 2 to 2nd power=4 (2x2); 3 to 3rd power=27 (3x3x3). 1x4x27=108

    Sanskrit alphabet: There are 54 letters in the Sanskrit alphabet. Each has masculine and feminine, shiva and shakti. 54 times 2 is 108.

    Sri Yantra: On the Sri Yantra there are marmas where three lines intersect, and there are 54 such intersections. Each intersections has masculine and feminine, shiva and shakti qualities. 54 x 2 equals 108. Thus, there are 108 points that define the Sri Yantra as well as the human body.

    9 times 12: Both of these numbers have been said to have spiritual significance in many traditions. 9 times 12 is 108. Also, 1 plus 8 equals 9. That 9 times 12 equals 108.

    Heart Chakra: The chakras are the intersections of energy lines, and there are said to be a total of 108 energy lines converging to form the heart chakra. One of them, sushumna leads to the crown chakra, and is said to be the path to Self-realization.

    Marmas: Marmas or marmastanas are like energy intersections called chakras, except have fewer energy lines converging to form them. There are said to be 108 marmas in the subtle body.

    Time: Some say there are 108 feelings, with 36 related to the past, 36 related to the present, and 36 related to the future.

    Astrology: There are 12 constellations, and 9 arc segments called namshas or chandrakalas. 9 times 12 equals 108. Chandra is moon, and kalas are the divisions within a whole.

    Planets and Houses: In astrology, there are 12 houses and 9 planets. 12 times 9 equals 108.

    Gopis of Krishna: In the Krishna tradition, there were said to be 108 gopis or maid servants of Krishna.

    1, 0, and 8: 1 stands for God or higher Truth, 0 stands for emptiness or completeness in spiritual practice, and 8 stands for infinity or eternity.

    Sun and Earth: The diameter of the sun is 108 times the diameter of the Earth.

    Numerical scale: The 1 of 108, and the 8 of 108, when added together equals 9, which is the number of the numerical scale, i.e. 1, 2, 3 ... 10, etc., where 0 is not a number.

    Smaller divisions: The number 108 is divided, such as in half, third, quarter, or twelfth, so that some malas have 54, 36, 27, or 9 beads.

    Islam: The number 108 is used in Islam to refer to God.

    Jain: In the Jain religion, 108 are the combined virtues of five categories of holy ones, including 12, 8, 36, 25, and 27 virtues respectively.

    Sikh: The Sikh tradition has a mala of 108 knots tied in a string of wool, rather than beads.

    Chinese: The Chinese Buddhists and Taoists use a 108 bead mala, which is called su-chu, and has three dividing beads, so the mala is divided into three parts of 36 each.

    Stages of the soul: Said that Atman, the human soul or center goes through 108 stages on the journey.

    Meru: This is a larger bead, not part of the 108. It is not tied in the sequence of the other beads. It is the quiding bead, the one that marks the beginning and end of the mala.

    Dance: There are 108 forms of dance in the Indian traditions.
  12. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Thursday, October 13, 2005 7:23:00 AM  
    What is Dharma?
    "Dharma" means "protection". By practising Buddha's teachings we protect ourself from suffering and problems. All the problems we experience during daily life originate in ignorance, and the method for eliminating ignorance is to practise Dharma.

    Practising Dharma is the supreme method for improving the quality of our human life. The quality of life depends not upon external development or material progress, but upon the inner development of peace and happiness. For example, in the past many Buddhists lived in poor and underdeveloped countries, but they were able to find pure, lasting happiness by practising what Buddha had taught.

    If we integrate Buddha's teachings into our daily life, we will be able to solve all our inner problems and attain a truly peaceful mind. Without inner peace, outer peace is impossible. If we first establish peace within our minds by training in spiritual paths, outer peace will come naturally; but if we do not, world peace will never be achieved, no matter how many people campaign for it.
  13. Anonymous Laurent posted at Thursday, October 13, 2005 2:54:00 PM  
    23 : the number of people who survided to the crash and went on the other side of the island
  14. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Thursday, October 13, 2005 4:38:00 PM  
    42: The length of each Lost episode in minutes
  15. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Saturday, October 15, 2005 5:48:00 PM  
    Anonymous said...
    From the Season 1 numbers list:
    The letter that Sawyer wrote has a seal on the back titled America's Bicentennial Knoxville Tennessee 1976. 1976 when added = 23.

    Try that with a calculator. One that's not broken.

    ------------------------------
    I haven't hardly watched this show, but friends on a forum do and was talking about this. Anyway, the last time I checked 1+9+7+6 DOES equal 23. Maybe YOUR calculator is broke ;)
  16. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Saturday, October 15, 2005 10:19:00 PM  
    16: 4 + 8 + 15 = 27, and 4 + 8 + 15 + 16 = 43. 27 + 43 = 70 which gives you a R.

    You're kidding right? How about a brief math lesson:

    The number 15 is relatively prime with 26 (meaning they share no common prime factors), thus just by continuing to add 15, you can eventually get every letter of the alphabet with your wrap-around system. The shorter way to get "R" would be: 15*22 = 330 = R. Oh, but 22 isn't special, ok, how about 15*23-15=330? The same works for 23 as well because 23 is also relatively prime to 26 (e.g. 23*18=460=R).

    Thinking that just because you can find some connection between those numbers and each individual letter means absolutely nothing... I can find a connection between those numbers and any word you want.

    The connection you've found is like announcing the "discovery" that all the numbers in the "Lost set" are made using digits, or that "dharma" is spell using nothing more than letters of the alphabet.
  17. Blogger JReel posted at Monday, October 17, 2005 11:08:00 AM  
    Using your same logic.

    1=A, 2=b, etc.

    We know that apparantly Walt is connected to the island somehow.

    23-W,
    (16-15)=1=A
    (4+8)=12=L
    (4+16)=20=T

    I know its a stretch, but its still fun to think about.
  18. Blogger JReel posted at Monday, October 17, 2005 1:42:00 PM  
    I just discovered another "Walt" issue.

    I was rewatching some of the first Season episodes.

    When Walt is talking to Michael about his dog and Locke. Walt tells Michael that Michael is not his friend because he hasnt found Vincent yet. Michael told him that as soon as it stopped raining, he would look for Vincent. Walt looked at Michael and it immediately stopped raining.

    I found that quite interesting.
  19. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:30:00 AM  
    I found a lot of people referred the logo they saw in Dharma Orientation as a 'Dharma Logo' like Justin:
    "Anonymous posted at Tuesday, October 11, 2005 6:46:51 PM
    ya.was thinking it would have been more deliberate but this is what I found out.

    ..guess i cant post images...

    clockwise there are 4, 6, 4, 3, 5, 5, 5, 4 bars in the DHARMA logo.

    seemed like there was an intentional number refrence and you can get the sequence out of it but theres lots of addition and to get 42 multiplication.
    -Justin "

    But actually it is originally come from the Taoism, a once dominant religion in China developed by its people during the long long history. The symbol stands for the harmony among the universe, especially between the human being and wild nature, which Chinese people call 'Tao', a reason, a rule for everything going in its right track. It has nothing to do with Dharma in Buddhism!! So it's quite strange when I first saw it appear with the name 'Dharma initiative', probably the author of the drama just confused about the different religions in orient...
  20. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:45:00 AM  
    Hang on, I got it...

    8/4=2+23=25 = Y
    15 = o
    23-(8/4)=21 = u

    16+8-23=1 = a
    42-16+8=18 = r
    16-15+4=5 = e

    4 = d
    23-(8/4)=21 = u
    23-(8/4)=21 = m
    8/4=2 = b

    So I guess what I'm trying to say = YOU ARE DUMB
  21. Blogger The LOST Numbers posted at Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:24:00 AM  
    Thanks for your valuable insight!
  22. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Tuesday, October 18, 2005 11:49:00 AM  
    no problem, it had to be brought to everyones attention!
    Steve
  23. Blogger The LOST Numbers posted at Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:17:00 PM  
    I'm glad my blog has such good samaritans!
  24. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Sunday, October 23, 2005 5:50:00 PM  
    The others Beatles version

    Desmond has a bunker in a hiding place
    claire is sitting in the sand
    Desmond says to Claire - girl I like your face
    And Claire says this as she takes him by the hand.

    Chorus:
    Obladi oblada LOST goes on bra
    Lala how the LOST goes on
    Obladi Oblada LOST goes on bra
    Lala how the LOST goes on.
  25. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Wednesday, November 02, 2005 5:33:00 PM  
    I'm sorry, but a lot of the things you talk about are ridiculous. The producer probably reckoned that since he already made a big deal with the numbers with Hurley's story, he might as well continue including them in everything to give people like you something to do in your free time. As far as I see, it is a waste of time.
  26. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:33:00 AM  
    Post 11 above is clearly the most significant of all I have read here. Just Google "Dharma 108" and you will see for yourself how those two terms are strongly linked to Hinduism.

    From there, one can argue that there is no secret message in the Lost Numbers. What is significant is their sum, 108. 3 9 14 17 22 43 would have worked as well for the part of the scenario that relates to the lotery ticket.

    Now remember how they ended up on the island: a dramatic plane crash that should have killed them all. Well, I actually think that all those who "survived" are actually the ones that are dead! So let's dig further and see what Hinduism has to say about what happens after one dies: http://hinduwebsite.com/heavenhell.htm.

    An extract: "The beings have to return to earth after exhausting the merits and demerits of their deeds on earth. So heaven and hell are intermediate stages in the progress of the souls towards final liberation." Well, this is perfect to justify all those flashbacks, isn't it? What a fabulous scenario idea!

    So let us test this theory against some facts:

    Why are "they" taking the children? Because they have less deeds to reflect upon, they are more likely to exit the island first.
    Locke's miracle recovery! His soul doesn't need a wheelchair while he reflects on his past life.
    Why do we see apparitions? Souls that departed from the island attempt to communicate with those still there.
    Why did the annoying guy vaporize with nitro? Geez, that character was so annoying I am sure he was immediately sent to hell to be cleansed.
    Why is the baby not gone? The best explanation I can think of is that there is a belief that you do not have a soul until you are christened. Otherwise they would have taken him away already. The woman with a rifle wanted to make a trade to get back her own kid, but that just doesn't work that way.


    Ok, I have other facts that do work with this theory, but that's enough for now. Don't hesitate to invalidate or corroborate my theory with some facts from the series!

    Cheers,

    ELS
  27. Anonymous Sheila posted at Monday, November 07, 2005 1:12:00 PM  
    8/4=2+23=25 = Y
    15 = o
    23-(8/4)=21 = u

    16+8-23=1 = a
    42-16+8=18 = r
    16-15+4=5 = e

    4 = d
    23-(8/4)=21 = u
    23-(8/4)=21 = m
    8/4=2 = b

    So I guess what I'm trying to say = YOU ARE DUMB


    This is the best post I have read in years, maybe ever!
  28. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Monday, November 07, 2005 1:23:00 PM  
    Dharma (Dharma and Greg) was played by Jenna Elfman. She is a "Celebrity Scientologist" - including the space, that term is 23 characters long.
  29. Blogger unknown posted at Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:08:00 PM  
    That must of tken a lot of time.
    I know another one.
    Start at 15. you'll see where 4 and 8 come into play.
    1+5=6
    1+6=7
    2+3=5
    4+2=6
    Okay, 4 5 6(6) 7 8
    I know it is stupid and meaningless but it is still knda cool when you put it all together.
  30. Anonymous your mom posted at Monday, November 21, 2005 6:08:00 PM  
    this whole website is bogus.. some of the stuff is cool but i mean u guys got waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy too much time on ur hands... some of the stuff i admit is cool.. most is pure coincidance
  31. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Sunday, November 27, 2005 2:27:00 PM  
    the numbers dont need to be typed at all, at the place where the tail section is located no1 is typing numbers there. its just so that the people in the hatch dont think about leavin as the power to what ever is behind the concrete does not go off as u see there is no power in the other hatch so therefore scare tactics r in place
  32. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Sunday, November 27, 2005 2:29:00 PM  
    to be honest huever puts tht much thougt into a tv programe is just a sad nerd
  33. Anonymous Paty posted at Sunday, December 04, 2005 11:14:00 AM  
    I've read in a forum about the connection between the Dharma logo and the Bagua (feng shui).

    Click on the link to see the bagua. If you noticed, there are numbers for each "section". All except number 7 is on the lost numbers.

    I could not figure out yet the connection between the numbers, but maybe you guys will find out!

    http://www.yarzheit.com/heavensregister/_images/Bagua%20OK%20for%207a.GIF
  34. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Sunday, December 04, 2005 4:25:00 PM  
    post 15, I guess you are the one with the broken calculator :/
    LoL!!!
  35. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Monday, December 12, 2005 8:51:00 AM  
    post 34... 1 + 9 + 7 + 6 does = 23
    i love it when people point out where people went wrong and just get it WRONG and then go on to point it out with some witty comment LoL!!! ROFL LMAO
  36. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:17:00 AM  
    does 23=23, 1976=1942, i dont know
    additions and summations, while spelled two different ways
    can at times be, at one, while always too~ meaning different things
    ...they probably are dead or in some abstract plane
    as no return to retional society
    could explain the experiences encountered
    i do feel while there must be a connection
    if not between the numbers maybe amongst the passengers themselves
    the story which is -what it is
    being written by writers
    who understand the concept of writing
    know the term red herrings..and probably use to suit
    No BOOK, tv show, or talking head
    will ever hand you lifes answers
    so dont set yourself up for the BIG LETDOWN
    have fun with the show...
    and i could be wrong on all, or any points i have made or dismissed
  37. Anonymous KAILEN posted at Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:38:00 PM  
    SANATANA DHARMA
    In a book by Khurana, the explanation closely mirrors the original Vedic justifications:
    A circle has 360 degrees, which when multiplied by 60 gives us 21,600 minutes in a circle. 60 comes from the 60 'ghatis' which Sanatana Dharmiks believe in. One ghati is equal to 24 minutes and 60 ghatis come to 24 hours.

    One ghati is divided into 60 parts or 'palas'.
    So the 60 ghatis multiplied by 60 palasa comes to 3,600.
    This is further multiplied by 60 (becase a pala contains 60 vipalas) which gives us 21,600.
    Half of this is for the day, and the other half for the night. So, 21,600
    divided by 2 gives us 10,800. For practical purposes, we use 108. Using the
    number 108 helps us coordinate the rhythm of time and space & we remain in harmony with the spiritual powers of nature.

    ALSO, I THINK THE MARKINGS ON THE DHARMA LOGO LOOK VERY MUCH LIKE:

    I CHING HEXAGRAMS
  38. Anonymous KAILEN posted at Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:48:00 PM  
    GPS coordinates-Latitude 4.815 Longitude 162.342

    so there you have it!! LOL!!
    check your map...
  39. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Monday, January 23, 2006 12:24:00 PM  
    I HAVE ACTUALLY FOUND THE ISLAND (i think)!
    IF YOU HAVE GOOGLE EARTH, YOU CAN FIND IT. YOU CAN GET IT AT GOOGLEEARTH.COM. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TYPE IN THE COORDINATES 22 20'02.65" S 176 12'12.27" W. i FOUND IT BY RUNNING A TEST FLIGHT OF OCEANIC FROM SYDNEY. IT SHOWS UP AS A BLACK DOT BUT IF YOU TURN ON THE COUNTRY BORDERS IT WILL SHOW A YELLOW CIRCLE AROUND IT. bY THE WAY, THE ISLAND SHOWS TO BE ABOVE SEA LEVEL SO IT MUST BE AN ISLAND.
  40. Anonymous ruby posted at Wednesday, January 25, 2006 3:05:00 PM  
    ummm...it looks like the comment before yours already found the island. lmao. the coordinates actually are the lost numbers. i dont know what the heck #39 is talking about. oh this is so good. but i am laughing at a lot of these comments. comment #38 is the best one i have heard tho that is serious. thanks.
  41. Anonymous Anonymous posted at Wednesday, January 25, 2006 3:36:00 PM  
    oh my #39 should have read #38.

    lol lol lol lol lol lol
  42. Anonymous KAILEN posted at Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:16:00 PM  
    LOL. wow here i got #42 again. meaning of life? hmmm... LOL
  43. Blogger DJS posted at Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:13:00 AM  
    I noticed something interesting about the numbers when I was investigating a mathematical object called the Shaw-Basho polynomial.

    They came up.

    www.dougshaw.com/lost has the explanation
  44. Anonymous KAILEN posted at Thursday, March 16, 2006 5:06:00 PM  
    ok. regarding the post #43:

    "DJS posted at Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:13:51 AM

    I noticed something interesting about the numbers when I was investigating a mathematical object called the Shaw-Basho polynomial.

    They came up.

    www.dougshaw.com/lost has the explanation"

    that was very interesting indeed. however, i too noticed something interesting WHEN I GOOGLED THIS SHAW-BASHO POLYNOMIAL:

    ABSOLUTELY NOTHING CAME UP EXCEPT THIS REFERENCE. NOTHING.

    so, um, what the heck is it? is this a joke? i see nothing to validate this.

    thanks.

    Kailen
  45. Blogger Cian Doherty posted at Saturday, April 08, 2006 6:55:00 PM  
    In relation to Kailen, post 38 and partly 39, here is the numbers as stated searched on google earth.

    http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b80/Angelous10/b1be930d.jpg

    As you can see, not too far from Australia!

    (This is mainly for people who cant be bothered to download Google Earth)

    If the picture comes up very small (pretty much anable to identify words) there are 2 things you can do... (1) Tell me a site that wont downsize it! (2) Take my word for it, the large green continent on the bottom left is Australia and the YELLOW DOT on the top right is the island (I wrote in the name and book marked. It would show the GPS code i.e the lost numbers as Kailen showed them in post (38)

    Thank you,

    Cian ^_^
  46. Anonymous Kelsey posted at Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:27:00 PM  
    Do you think that the books Sawyer reads are any sort of clue as to the mystery of the island? If they are part of a series I wonder if their series number is 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42? If they are then maybe those books have some sort of hint or clue of somekind. I don't know, I was just thinking.

    Kelsey
  47. Blogger Talion posted at Saturday, December 09, 2006 9:16:00 AM  
    YEAH I HAVE THE CONNECTION!! XD

    8/4=2: B
    23-8/4=21: U
    8+4=12: L
    8+4=12: L

    15+4=16: S
    8: H
    16+15-8-4=19: I
    23-(15-8-4)=20 T

    :P
  48. Blogger Talion posted at Saturday, December 09, 2006 9:30:00 AM  
    oh, mistake:

    8/4=2: B
    23-8/4=21: U
    8+4=12: L
    8+4=12: L

    15+4=19: S
    8: H
    8+16-15: I
    23-(15-8-4)=20 T

    i mean THIS IS BULL SHIT

Post a Comment

« Home